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One Potential of Sleep Paralysis
Pixies:
Don't see how I'm trolling here. Or anywhere, for that matter. Do you know the vibrational stage I'm talking about?
Evo:
Roo:
--- Quote from: Pixies on October 01, 2011, 06:18:04 AM ---Don't see how I'm trolling here. Or anywhere, for that matter. Do you know the vibrational stage I'm talking about?
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Why dnt you explain it to me?
Pixies:
--- Quote from: Roo on October 01, 2011, 08:53:04 AM ---
--- Quote from: Pixies on October 01, 2011, 06:18:04 AM ---Don't see how I'm trolling here. Or anywhere, for that matter. Do you know the vibrational stage I'm talking about?
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Why dnt you explain it to me?
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It only happens to me right before waking up. It feels like I'm more than my body, and I hear a buzzing in my hear and can feel my whole body vibrating. I'm usually semi-paralyzed at this point. But I believe my mind is getting in the way of actually astral projecting. I've also felt the terror that people talk about but have been able to surpass it almost every time, surprisingly. I strongly believe that "terror" is the ego's last cry before unwillingly letting go of the soul from it's body.
Have you ever projected out-of-body?
Roo:
--- Quote from: Pixies on October 01, 2011, 07:09:04 PM ---
--- Quote from: Roo on October 01, 2011, 08:53:04 AM ---
--- Quote from: Pixies on October 01, 2011, 06:18:04 AM ---Don't see how I'm trolling here. Or anywhere, for that matter. Do you know the vibrational stage I'm talking about?
--- End quote ---
Why dnt you explain it to me?
--- End quote ---
It only happens to me right before waking up. It feels like I'm more than my body, and I hear a buzzing in my hear and can feel my whole body vibrating. I'm usually semi-paralyzed at this point. But I believe my mind is getting in the way of actually astral projecting. I've also felt the terror that people talk about but have been able to surpass it almost every time, surprisingly. I strongly believe that "terror" is the ego's last cry before unwillingly letting go of the soul from it's body.
Have you ever projected out-of-body?
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The very first sentence of my above post said that yes I have projected out-of-body (OBE'd) - did you even read it? Hence the frustration Pixies, hence the label "troll" having been placed on you. Interacting with you is difficult because you fail to empathize with the person you are interacting with. In all your previous posts you have failed to listen to, consider, and reply appropriately to what others have been saying. It is almost like you are conversing with yourself, or more accurately, your mind. You spit out line after line of content that doesn't really have any connection with what others are saying. Communication is about give and take, input and output, and you are mainly outputting. This is one of the symptoms of Asperger's Syndrome so you might want to take this into consideration.
From Wiki:
--- Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome#Social_interaction ---The cognitive ability of children with AS often allows them to articulate social norms in a laboratory context, where they may be able to show a theoretical understanding of other people's emotions; however, they typically have difficulty acting on this knowledge in fluid, real-life situations.
A person with AS may engage in a one-sided, long-winded speech about a favorite topic, while misunderstanding or not recognizing the listener's feelings or reactions, such as a need for privacy or haste to leave. This failure to react appropriately to social interaction may appear as disregard for other people's feelings, and may come across as insensitive.
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Anyway, Robert Bruce in his book Astral Dynamics [pg. 161] describes the vibrations as a OBE-exit symptom. He says that they are not physical vibrations (though they are felt as such) but rather are caused by energy-body activity as it tries to separate the etheric body from the substance of the physical body. I don't agree entirely with Bruce's understandings but think they'll do as metaphors.
OBE exiting occurs after the individual is in a "fully awake trance state" or a "mind awake + body asleep" state. This state allows the "awake thinking consciousness to continue within the confines of the expanded energy body, while the physical body/mind sleep" [pg. 13]. It sounds like this is the state you wake up in Pixies which is slightly different from Sleep Paralysis (SP). SP is when you awake before the REM cycle is complete and so your body is paralyzed and you start to experience your dreams as hallucinations within your field of vision. An OBE trance state occurs before the REM cycle begins (or after it has completed) and so one's body is not paralyzed but deeply relaxed (asleep, but not locked like it is in REM).
This is why I asked you earlier to distinguish whether you are experiencing SP or not by confirming the presence of hallucinations when you wake up in that trance state? The terror I feel in that state is the feeling of an "evil presence" as well as the accompaniment of hallucinations. I think a certain terror would exist when going out-of-body because it is going into the unknown, however, Sleep Paralysis specifically is defined by its hallucinogenic qualities. So which is it Pixies?
In both cases I agree with you that the terror comes from the ego's (using its popular definition as an "identification with thinking") attachment to what it knows, and its aversion to the unknown. However, with an OBE the terror seems to arise from within, whilst with SP the terror seems to projected from outside. With an OBE, as you say, the ego is having trouble letting go. With SP, the ego is scared of the "evil presence" it senses as well the usually scary hallucinations.
(Just quickly, in Bruce's book he postulates that SP (or "waking paralysis" as he calls it) is caused during a projection (!) because something the projected double is experiencing has scared it so much that the physical mind/body has suddenly woken up - so there are two bodies awake and aware [pg. 47]. - Personally I don't give much credit to this explanation but admit that more exploration into this idea is warranted.)
I don't know if during an OBE the soul actually leaves the body. Soul, mind, body, etc are extremely complex topics and I am still not comfortable with any of my definitions of each; I have a long way to go before I speak with any assured understanding of such things. I would hazard a guess it is simply consciousness texploring the reality within the mind (mind being non-local) but that is a far as i would go and as specific as I want to get.
I hope you can respond to some of the ideas we are exploring Pixies and we can have our first real conversation. Otherwise that will be it from me.
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