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collapsing the system
digitalrasta:
I've always wondered that if someone who is into "this"material, a la this forum and others expressing a similar outlook, has a true psychotic break, how is it provable? Ive known a few cats who have had psychotic breaks and have gone "all spiritual"(being stiffs to start with) and talk about things and behave in ways that i thoroughly admire but there is definitely something off about them. Something that the animal in you that can sense danger (for example) senses and informs the rational self, ie, dude thats all well and good but there's something amiss in you, i can just "sense " it...Not everything is of a spiritual nature in the mind, there are such things as chemical imbalances and fundamental mental derangements that must be addressed clinically, not neccesarily by mainstream psychotherapy but by someone who believes all of "this forums type material"but has clinical psychiatric skills, someone who doesn't want to mainstream your mind with psychopharmacology but someone who understands a very relevant lifestyle paradigm choice and spiritual outlook but is skilled in mental care.
And i think you can use the system to change the system, just like overwriting a computer programme. A shift would be great but if it doesnt happen theres six billion minds that need changing so what are you gonna do, destroy their shit or encourage them through ones own achievements to aspire to a better life.
I spent ten years on the dole, fuck the man, dont contribute to the system and all that but in the long run i just didnt get to where i am now 20 years ago rather than ten. Get a job, bust your balls, pick up change off the footpath, live frugally, buy some land and dissapear, spend your days flying under the radar. Money is just a tool, buy a car or walk because you got a plan,,buy the latest bullshit or save because you got a plan,,sure the system totally blows but sometimes you just gotta grin and bear it because you got a plan.
Roo:
--- Quote from: digitalrasta on September 29, 2011, 11:35:01 PM ---I've always wondered that if someone who is into "this"material, a la this forum and others expressing a similar outlook, has a true psychotic break, how is it provable? Ive known a few cats who have had psychotic breaks and have gone "all spiritual"(being stiffs to start with) and talk about things and behave in ways that i thoroughly admire but there is definitely something off about them. Something that the animal in you that can sense danger (for example) senses and informs the rational self, ie, dude that's all well and good but there's something amiss in you, i can just "sense " it...Not everything is of a spiritual nature in the mind, there are such things as chemical imbalances and fundamental mental derangement that must be addressed clinically, not necessarily by mainstream psychotherapy but by someone who believes all of "this forums type material"but has clinical psychiatric skills, someone who doesn't want to mainstream your mind with psycho-pharmacology but someone who understands a very relevant lifestyle paradigm choice and spiritual outlook but is skilled in mental care.
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I think that "this forum type material" is an extremely broad topic. We literally discuss everything on here. I went through a conspiracy phase (via the forum), and then a mainstream new-age phase (via the forum) and came out very rooted in the real world (still posting on the same forum). I enjoy learning psychology among other very mainstream sciences; I think all the old superstitions can be explained with a modern and logical understanding; I think one ought to embrace society (and not hide away - no offense DR, it OK for some to do this :wnk:), indulge in his pleasures every now and then, and work hard when it is asked of him; I think one should be immersed in his physical reality (mates, beers, women, TV, family, fishing) as well as his spiritual reality (enlightenment, healing, occultism even) - both feet in the waters as they say; and I think one should always take the path of least resistance, in whatever form. I think my learning style is unique, and that I use this forum in a unique way. I am stubborn and often hypocritical. I can see that my understandings are always warping, changing, and so I put as my energy into my posts as I can and then let go of them. Sometimes I say too much, and some things aren't meant to be said.
It is very obvious to me that discussion of "this forum type material" can be an outlet or even an excuse for a "psychotic" thought process. I even think that discussion of the more esoteric concepts blur the line but ultimately this is a metaphysical reality and as such what mainstream culture sees as "kookoo" will one day be the norm. But yes, the root causes of certain behavior can often be revealing. The paranoid aspect in me freaked out when it read your post Rast as I thought my previous post triggered your response. Of course I have displayed the symptoms of many mental disorders but is my entire understanding of reality corrupt? As the answers cannot be found in the mind (because it could potentially be corrupt) I look to manifestations in my life: fortifying family relationships, rediscovering passions, becoming more responsible (career goals, financial planning, domestic duties), looking after my health, improving cognitive abilities, uncovering deep insights pertaining to both my inner world and the world around me, and feeling evermore blissful. If I have psychosis it is definitely the benevolent kind and I am going to let it run its course.
So anyway, I think maybe the cause of a certain behavior can eventually be transcended with enough experience (knowledge / self-understanding / enlightenment, etc.), but that also the path of least resistance must be taken. Which means that unless you are the Buddha or Jesus you are going to have to sort out your childhood and important relationships. I do that think the proof of a psychotic break can probably be found through introspection and uncovering one's true intentions as well as observing intensifying symptoms (which are bound to become pretty obvious). The root cause of my behavior is that I am following a subtle impulse (why? I don't know, it feels automatic, almost magnetic), this may be psychosis but ultimately it is healing me and I am doing what is needed to become whole again. Most typically: I think the root cause of following a cult is maybe abandonment issues and low self-esteem (caused by early childhood experiences); the psychological causes behind crazed conspiracy theorists' mind-sets is most likely mistrust so again possibly abandonment issues or lack of love; and following mainstream new-age concepts ignorantly could be part of the search for fulfillment which really means dissatisfaction and though this takes a variety of forms is probably caused by low self esteem and not being able to accept yourself for who you are (parent/s who were distant and didn't give you enough love or parent/s who were too overbearing and gave you too much love, IE became possessive).
Anyway that is enough Dr Phil for now. First paragraph summarizing my current beliefs; second paragraph pondering the cause of those beliefs / justifying them; third paragraph expanding upon the idea that the forum topics are connected to psychosis and the possible causes of such psychosis.
Roo:
This is interesting:
--- Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_disorder ---Thought Disorder (a symptom of psychosis)
In psychiatry, thought disorder (TD) or formal thought disorder (FTD) is a term used to describe incomprehensible language, either speech or writing, that is presumed to reflect thinking. There are different types. For example, language may be difficult to understand if it switches quickly from one unrelated idea to other (flight of ideas) or if it is long-winded and very delayed at reaching its goal (circumstantiality) or if words are inappropriately strung together resulting in gibberish (word salad).
Psychiatrists consider Formal Thought Disorder as being one of two types of "thinking" or "thought" disorders. The other type being delusions. The latter involves "content" while the former involves "form". Although the term "thought disorder" can refer to either type, in common parlance it refers most often to a disorder of thought "form" also known as Formal Thought Disorder.
It is usually considered a symptom of psychotic mental illness, although it occasionally appears in other conditions.
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http://maya12-21-2012.com/2012forum/mayaspace/why-im-so-fkd-up-in-the-head/msg71272/#msg71272
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digitalrasta:
Dont they say if you can ask the question "Am i crazy?"then you aren't.
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