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Science + Religion = One Message
« on: March 29, 2012, 12:45:55 PM »
I'm young (in my early 20s) and I've been researching the pole shifts for some years (more recently via ZetaTalk). There is a girl I've been somewhat seeing lately and her mother is extremely religious, they have been hoarding supplies for a while now. We are talking about a woman that is practically a computer illiterate, has never used the computer to attempt any 2012 research and all this information is obviously not available through the media.

We sat down and had a talk the other day, we shared what we know with each other....AND IT WAS THE SAME! She has somehow been given altitudes above seal level corresponding to ZetaTalk through her religion. It scared the chit out of one another, I know for a fact the same information is being delivered to us in two completely different ways! (she is a religious person and I am a technical/science person)

Has anyone else heard of this scenario happening I'm sure we can't be the first, we happen to live in an area naturally 1,000ft above sea level but only 50 miles inland. I also have two mountains on either side of me one is 2,000ft above seal level and the other is 3,000ft above sea level, we do not (at least in today's world) have any active volcanoes in our area nor do we experience earth quakes or tornadoes/hurricanes here. I think we have a pretty good chance of survival I consider myself lucky to be born in the location I was exp when I explore how far other people around the world would need to travel to flea the sloshing ocean during the pole shift.

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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2012, 11:19:52 PM »
Arthur C Clarke predicted the future would have philosopher/doctors and priest/scientists-----makes sense to me.
Dont sweat the pole shift/disaster scenario too much, it is what it is, get your head in the right place and death is a seamless transition to another dimension. Fear not, ever.
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« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2012, 10:06:31 AM »
Arthur C Clarke predicted the future would have philosopher/doctors and priest/scientists-----makes sense to me.
Dont sweat the pole shift/disaster scenario too much, it is what it is, get your head in the right place and death is a seamless transition to another dimension. Fear not, ever.


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Re: Science + Religion = One Message
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2012, 08:23:54 PM »
who is the hero figure this guy is referring to ?  :wink2: ;0
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« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2012, 07:00:39 AM »
who is the hero figure this guy is referring to ?  :wink2: ;0

Helios or Atun (as the Egyptians called it) ..... its real name, btw is YES :) (The SUN)

AS ABOVE, SO BELOW :)

Checkout "Holy Science" on my YT channel :) .... its in favorites, its called "KNOW THYSELF Part 1+2" :)

Atun means Atom ..... the sun is the core of the atom, seven objects (that we can see with the naked eye) are the sattelites that orbit ...

Mercury, Venus, Earth, Earth's Moon, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn (Satan) :)

                 
                          
 

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« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2012, 05:54:14 PM »
Dont sweat the pole shift/disaster scenario too much, it is what it is, get your head in the right place and death is a seamless transition to another dimension. Fear not, ever.

I wish I was a more spiritual person, maybe I am and I just don't know it. I struggle with spirituality and I think it is because I am such a  technical/science person, if science was able to explain it in logical terms I bet it would help so much but it's probably so complicated it's not explainable in any form.

Another dimension you say? Like where "extra dimensional beings" come from? I realize or interpret Earth as planet of the children this is where our spirits are born and judged, possibly advanced civilizations still can not perfect spirits and souls and that may be the purpose of Earth. I do fear death, I guess I am a bit selfish I wish to get as much out of Earth while I'm here as I can and extend my visit as long as possible my goal is to retire and live the awesome elderly life I want nothing more then to become a wise old man full of wisdom and experience.

Now I may be on a far reach here..but..on the transition to another dimension/world, maybe this is linked to heaven and hell? I know if you do good on this earth they claim you go to heaven (when you die) but if you die a non-natural way such as suicide you go to hell? Possibly if science was able to explain this transition and people literally knew when they die they went to a better place (not just "being told") but actually some sort of logical explanation in technical terms (not heaven but an actual physical place) then people would be purposely "accidentally" getting hit by buses etc? Maybe this has some link between the "terrorists" doing suicide bombings and that's why we need to stop them before the rest of the world REALLY understands whats going on.... sorry I really went far out on this reply do not feel pressured to cover all my aspects in your reply(s).


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Re: Science + Religion = One Message
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2012, 06:02:40 AM »
Heaven is where we have always been :)

Hell is where we incarnate now and again to try and sort it out :) ..... ie: Earth or any other planet we appear :)

                 
                          
 

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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2012, 04:53:43 PM »
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Re: Science + Religion = One Message
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2012, 05:21:02 PM »
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Re: Science + Religion = One Message
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2012, 08:55:47 PM »
Good link!!

So....since I suck at being spiritual I'm going to return to my old church I used to attend maybe over a half a decade ago for mass (before I matured; everything is different now) and see if it helps me with spiritual growth (still not sure what defines spirituality).

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Re: Science + Religion = One Message
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2012, 05:56:05 AM »
Spirituality v Religion ?

From my point of view, they are two sides of the same coin !!     -     Plus and Minus, Light and Dark, Right and Wrong !!


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« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2012, 09:51:06 AM »
       Firstly, religious people who rely on the Bible may like to know that King Solomon of the Bible had a lot to do with the founding of Astrology! Many Christians have no idea of this and generally are negative about astrology.

        Secondly, Try to read as much as you can about NDE's (Near Death Experiences) and you will find that whether the person who has had an NDE, whether religious, agnostic or Atheist has almost 100% of the time experienced a heavenly type realm and has been surrounded by a sense of unconditional love. For me this translates as "There is no Hell, Hell is a state of mind that we have here on Earth from time to time and there are no elite or special groups.  All people make it to this 'after-life' spiritual realm.

      Thirdly, Science and Religion are coming ever closer together as Physicists speak of their learning of the nature of matter and energy and the existence of parallel realities or dimensions which may explain the material and spiritual realms that previously only New Age or Religious people would have acknowledged.

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« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2012, 10:20:02 AM »
       Firstly, religious people who rely on the Bible may like to know that King Solomon of the Bible had a lot to do with the founding of Astrology! Many Christians have no idea of this and generally are negative about astrology.

        Secondly, Try to read as much as you can about NDE's (Near Death Experiences) and you will find that whether the person who has had an NDE, whether religious, agnostic or Atheist has almost 100% of the time experienced a heavenly type realm and has been surrounded by a sense of unconditional love. For me this translates as "There is no Hell, Hell is a state of mind that we have here on Earth from time to time and there are no elite or special groups.  All people make it to this 'after-life' spiritual realm.

      Thirdly, Science and Religion are coming ever closer together as Physicists speak of their learning of the nature of matter and energy and the existence of parallel realities or dimensions which may explain the material and spiritual realms that previously only New Age or Religious people would have acknowledged.

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« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2012, 10:37:55 AM »
       Firstly, religious people who rely on the Bible may like to know that King Solomon of the Bible had a lot to do with the founding of Astrology! Many Christians have no idea of this and generally are negative about astrology.

        Secondly, Try to read as much as you can about NDE's (Near Death Experiences) and you will find that whether the person who has had an NDE, whether religious, agnostic or Atheist has almost 100% of the time experienced a heavenly type realm and has been surrounded by a sense of unconditional love. For me this translates as "There is no Hell, Hell is a state of mind that we have here on Earth from time to time and there are no elite or special groups.  All people make it to this 'after-life' spiritual realm.

      Thirdly, Science and Religion are coming ever closer together as Physicists speak of their learning of the nature of matter and energy and the existence of parallel realities or dimensions which may explain the material and spiritual realms that previously only New Age or Religious people would have acknowledged.

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Re: Science + Religion = One Message
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2012, 03:08:45 PM »
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« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2012, 03:58:30 PM »
Please read more of this valuable site. A week spent perusing the posts of the past and conversations that have ensued may well help you, if you think you need help of course.
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« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2012, 05:20:55 PM »
I will have to spend some more time on this site instead of Youtube videos and check out more threads.

That is an interesting quote on philosophy, I personally love wisdom I enjoy giving it to others (and receiving it). Many people refer to me as being full of wisdom actually.

I'm not really trying to compare spirituality and religion I am just thinking religion is the best or easiest way to build my spirituality. I am itching to ask my pastor/priest off to the side personally and boldly what his thoughts are on astronomy. My grandfather looked around the church and shook his head from time to time during mass, then later afterward he said he does not know what will become of religion 20 years from now pointing out the fact I was the only person in their 20s there and 90% were above 60 years old.

I told my father about King Solomon (he was raised going to a religious school) and he never heard it either. I've seen some videos on NDE but it's a hazy subject seeing how DMT is released during death and near death so it's very hard to distinguish.

Science and religion coming closer seem to be also driving them apart at the same time, the more we understand on the science spectrum the more people begin to question religion and loose their faith...was the case for myself.

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« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2012, 06:46:59 PM »
The definition of religion is actually " The gaining of wisdom ". Which, considering how religion operates and what it promotes, is an oxymoron or is that a tautology ?
Id be careful not to get too caught up in the language, religion, spirituality, whatever, all different vernaculars of the one great story. From the standpoint of a contemporary scientific technological society mainstream religions are being more exposed for the antiquated and irellevant explanations to a great mystery that they are.
Find a Nassim Harramein vid for a nice merging of science and consciousness.

Was thinking the other day, contemporary sub atomic physics, cosmology and what have you states that for reality to exist as we percieve it there must be an infinity of parrallel and perpindicular dimensional realities iterating all existances simultaneously. Doesn't that mean, if every variation is being unfolded at once that in one of them your consciousness is actually the creator god/source/primary primordial doohickey and ipso facto so am I and every other sentient and non sentient thing?

Science irrevocably leads to spiritual questions, even when the consciousness can be quantified, that will only be knowing the how it works not the how it came to be or why. Even understanding the mechanics of creation there is still the "Who/what did it in the first place?".

Round and round, round we go.
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« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2012, 07:27:04 AM »
The definition of religion is actually " The gaining of wisdom ". Which, considering how religion operates and what it promotes, is an oxymoron or is that a tautology ?
Id be careful not to get too caught up in the language, religion, spirituality, whatever, all different vernaculars of the one great story. From the standpoint of a contemporary scientific technological society mainstream religions are being more exposed for the antiquated and irellevant explanations to a great mystery that they are.
Find a Nassim Harramein vid for a nice merging of science and consciousness.

Was thinking the other day, contemporary sub atomic physics, cosmology and what have you states that for reality to exist as we percieve it there must be an infinity of parrallel and perpindicular dimensional realities iterating all existances simultaneously. Doesn't that mean, if every variation is being unfolded at once that in one of them your consciousness is actually the creator god/source/primary primordial doohickey and ipso facto so am I and every other sentient and non sentient thing?

Science irrevocably leads to spiritual questions, even when the consciousness can be quantified, that will only be knowing the how it works not the how it came to be or why. Even understanding the mechanics of creation there is still the "Who/what did it in the first place?".

Round and round, round we go.

I think that given the fact that the "masses" or mainstream belief or whatever you want to call it both anthropomorphosizes "the creator" while simultaneously projects an ego extension "creator" that it in itself says more about people at this time than anything else. It doesn't define any creator whether it seeks to or not. It appears as a stage among many that have come and gone. Simply observing that there are a slew of underlying occurrences that are taken for granted such as the animal kingdom and its lack of need to question where and how to operate in nature speaks volumes. Humanity  elevates itself above such creatures but divorces itself from the very nature of proven interconnectedness. morphogenetic fields, energetic environment etc. says hey, we are all connected, yet it is ego that forgets. Thinking beings that have the mind of "the creator" inherent within the creation yet with the free will to forget. A blessing and a curse and this is how duality plays out at a certain stage (one of many). Intuition is ripe to speak to those that can hear but there is still no "proof" which places room for faith, be it blind or otherwise. Whether new physics or old wisdom, we are simultaneously in many parallel "realities". Every action is an an unfolded thought/desire, an extension of the creator through you, in you, without you. The fundamental quandry of science is that it is so left brain, even for the newer science because it can't deal with "nothing". You can chain a billion computers together and calculate an expanse yet to come up with nothing yields no "results". Imagine getting a grant to work on a project for ten years and go to the source of the funding with a big fat goose egg (a zero for those who don't get the reference) on a piece of paper as a result.

Yes chairman, members of the board we conclude nothing.
Imagine the tears of joy and utter satisfaction with such an answer.
Science as well as the inquiring mind/heart has a fundamental difficulty with the idea that were we are "going" is simultaneously "where we came from" while always being where we "are". Just as particles and elements behave differently when observed. Well the observer is watching it unfold and refold constantly. It is the entirety of a limitation and limitation of entirety. Open ended and pinched to curve around and look and what is while looking out at what was and will be.

Quite beautiful if you ask me.
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Re: Science + Religion = One Message
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2012, 04:38:19 PM »
It is so very beautiful.
Often people think that there are answers when there are not.
It is a great comfort to me personally that there is a mystery that holds it all together. The forever humbling "I dont know, but thankyou" which is faith I guess.
Whats that Warner Brothers- Bugs Bunny  catchphrase from a gangster character I think ?
"I don't know how yez done it, but I knows yez done it !!"
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« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2012, 07:17:26 AM »
philosophy = love of wisdom

wisdom = love of philosophy :)

                 
                          
 

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« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2012, 11:52:59 AM »
philosophy = love of wisdom

wisdom = love of philosophy :)
       
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« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2012, 12:30:45 PM »
philosophy = love of wisdom

wisdom = love of philosophy :)
       
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