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The Historical Existence of Jesus
« on: May 25, 2009, 03:31:11 PM »
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Re: The Historical Existence of Jesus
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2009, 04:20:02 PM »
I know he exists. 8)

Zeitgeist producers should stick to dodgy bank owners & the like. ::)

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Re: The Historical Existence of Jesus
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2009, 04:24:57 PM »
He died in Northern India  at the ripe old age 87 i think ::)



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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2009, 04:29:05 PM »
He died in Northern India  at the ripe old age 87 i think ::)

I repeat, I KNOW he exists ;)

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Re: The Historical Existence of Jesus
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2009, 04:31:43 PM »
Your talking of spirit , im talking about the body he hung around in  ::)



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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2009, 04:38:06 PM »
Yeah I get yea. I have had a very personal first hand experience with the man/spirit, thingy!
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Re: The Historical Existence of Jesus
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2009, 10:39:37 AM »
      The stuff that I have gleaned that makes most sense about Jesus is:
Being a "God-man"  and the stuff about Virgin birth and being crucified and rising again after 3 days is not necessarily true!  I don't think that is the main thing.
       The Zeitgeist film made a strong point there but the main important thing that he is credited with is his ability to forgive whilst being given the most horrifically harsh treatment by his torturers. He showed the extent of forgiveness possible that a 'man' could do.
        We have to trust that the teachings that he is credited with were actually what he said because it was a long time go and was not written down for a long time after he said them.
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Re: The Historical Existence of Jesus
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2009, 11:22:08 AM »
Yeah I get yea. I have had a very personal first hand experience with the man/spirit, thingy!
That's not manbearpig! I'm sthuper serial.

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have you alreAdy excaptedd JesUUs as yo load and saviya? lol  ;D



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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2009, 01:15:23 PM »
Yeah I get yea. I have had a very personal first hand experience with the man/spirit, thingy!
That's not manbearpig! I'm sthuper serial.

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have you alreAdy excaptedd JesUUs as yo load and saviya? lol  ;D

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Simply acknowledged that the man was a real actual live historical fellow.

He showed me what we can do & more!

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Re: The Historical Existence of Jesus
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2009, 01:51:52 PM »
I FOUND JESUS!!!   He was behind the sofa the whole time...
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Re: The Historical Existence of Jesus
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2009, 03:05:32 PM »
Was he scared of Dr. Who?

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Re: The Historical Existence of Jesus
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2009, 03:30:38 PM »
Twirlie Twirlie Twirely around we go and where the truth stops or begins no one really knows. ;D ;D ;D

Did Jesus exist?

Does Jesus exist?

Now does it really matter?

I don't know yet it seems when one gets beyond the limits of this dimension it is really not that big a deal.

There is a spirit that is there and perhaps the real truth is in the spirit not in the physical writings of the world, not in the stories and tales passed along for the last 2000 years or so.

In this relatively very short time, 2000 years, the Christian world/believers have determined that Jesus is the supremely cool one, the savior, and what ever.

Suddenly the others like Buddha, and Krishna and other spiritual teachers are relegated into being not as true.
The teachings out of India perhaps are of a greater truth but not according to some.

It is true that the spirit of Jesus is definitely there and has inspired and guided many over the last few years, 2000. Here we have to see that this very short time 2000 years it really just a very small space in the time/space continuum that encompasses the physical world 3D dimension we appear to live in.
Since time is not real beyond this dimension perhaps these is a vaster understanding that we miss while seemingly in the 3d world.

Jesus and Christianity are really somewhat the creation of man here in this 3D world. It has all developed from what others said was true and from books full of words that others have written: Words that have subjective meanings ultimately.
The concepts presented in the historical writings and the Bible are what they are and each one actually interprets them from their own subjective understanding.

Just some thoughts to ponder as one might.

Ones spiritual beliefs are personal and unique to the individual. This is perhaps more true for those who are not attached to a belief system/religion and so on.

Religions are belief systems that serve a purpose yet they easily become "Heard" like in their interpretations. People join churches or religions to be part of the what ever, in crowd, to be accepted by others. It is a conforming that seems to dilute the inner meaning and relationship each one had with the greater reality often called god.

It appears that many who are consumed with the proving of the historical existence of an individual are actually being distracted from the connection to the spirit.

Is what is said in the video true? Can it be proved? Does it really matter?
Ah just another distraction to keep all worried about something that happened in the past.
In the timeless-ness of reality there actually is no past, oh poo now what will we doo?
It is really up to you to see through it as you can.  ;D
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Re: The Historical Existence of Jesus
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2009, 07:47:42 PM »
For me there are no questions on this point. I neither worry, nor use my time up thinking about this subject.

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« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2009, 07:54:51 PM »
Up at our cabin this weekend there is a gold Jesus statue on a cross that my sister (never read the bible kinda sister) has on a dresser.  So every time we go up there we hide it somewhere different..... we figure everyone needs to "Find Jesus".  We were laughing b/c I said we should hide it out on the middle of the lake and finally really see if this man can walk on water...    :P
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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2009, 07:59:47 PM »
There's a film, I have'nt seen it just heard about it, where Jesus is in perpetual agony on the cross because people are seeing him that way.

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Re: The Historical Existence of Jesus
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2009, 08:09:38 AM »
Quote from: bogwalker link=topic=3180.msg 29772#msg 29772 date=1252325569
You peoples ...? do you not research all that you are demanded to believe/ The letter J is only 400+ years old! the roman insert was a G if my memory is on correct recall.. and then somewhere "J" was "aol invented"..  Back in biblical times few  peoples spoke 2 dialects...let alone few or several... and Israelites were NOT allowed to even think of  gentiles... let alone learn to speak with them ! Do you G-d needed the Romans' Greek to speak to Mary  A Hebrew ? via  The Arch Angel ?  How many of you have read the very first pages of your "bible" or as it was called in my day Catholic :Missal: " ?   Key words ...Translated from ...into... Greek !! and a lot of "books" were left out... and it was "simply demanded ...lol that the minister/priest/reverend... read to the congregation what was" Deemed " the "only necessary :Messages: informations..." ohh lol how shipley you give over your soul because you "believe the feeding frenzy of G-ds' word can only be interpreted by the "self assigned"... I no longer "need" someone else reading to me on Privileged assigned days... G-d IS and YHWH IS HIS Name !!  Fear of G-d does not mean that we are so beneath Him we cannot communicate for ourselves sheeples... read where it says that all of mankind were set just a "little lower than HIS angels !!...  Fear NOT says the Lord Thy G-d , for I am with you ALWAYS! Now tell me is that a "specific Oneness of peoples" ?  Many peoples now believe "sins" can be eradicated through prayers ? ...if so , and all these many "religious years " have past ... and which sin ? can you tell me has been eradicated ? That "JOB" ..folks has already been assigned, elsewise ? why have Gods' SON return to cleanse The Entire Earth ?  If any one among you believes he/she Can forgive /remove/defeat even one sin stand right up and speak now.. lol because I have  a life of fire behind me likened to a tail of Hale Bop !!::)

AA, aa! Let me correct "YEA"! here!! I think You mean "your" "Bible"! Nothing to do with us "Heeden's" Man!! typical Christian! my way or know way! RAT! TAT! TAT! >:( interesting that you hide behind "Bogwalker"! but i know a few real Bogwalker's were i live! but they dont speak of Fear like you do! I wonder how long you will last here in "Hell" with us before yea ascend through "Jesus" with a pat on the back saying Job well do!! ""Open up the Gates! "Peter" we'v Got another one! ;D



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« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2009, 08:44:14 AM »
Quote from: bogwalker link=topic=3180.msg 29788#msg 29788 date=1252330462
ha ha ha ...you are too "divine"... I am not , nor have I written that I am a "christian "... lol you are too quick with your "self assigned  judgemants of me... lol I may very well join you in hell... and I do Not call on the name which represents earth pig... what bothers you is that I utilize my rights to "choose" my words !! and live by them... I have already been through the wiccan schools.. even the parochial teachers fear both deities G-d and Satan. and you making buffiting jest...lol when was the last time you checked out the meanings of living life to it's fullest ? or have you no -one to follow but your "self" ? did you learn to read one day ? or did you follow directions ? Did you learn to think outside the box ? or did you just engage it and escape running /  :) ;D
;D OOoooooo! we'v got another one here! 8) there coming out of the Woodwork! AAAAaa! Listen man iv been around the Block a lot more than you have!by the look's off it anyhow! even the Guys who taught you about "Fear" Must of seen yea coming! Well i can tell yea one thing! Your "Teacher's" it seems they done a Good job at Brain washing yea! so ill forgive yea because yea know not what they'v done ! ;D



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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2009, 09:12:01 AM »
Hay the Hippies hung out with the American natives! Still do! Hell iv even Got a few friends Who live in "TP's" an i never walk alone i love people even misguided ones! because yea know there the ones that need the Help most! but of course you'd know that woulden yea! Im not Arguing with yea im enjoying this Chat! ;)



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« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2009, 10:37:45 AM »
WELL ill be............. 8) then why did yea Quote the Bible when yea put up the first post's? most off us steer clear of Book's that were written by men's big ego's! sure there's a lot of truth's in them there Book's, But me thinks there's a lot of Fork thong! as they say in the West "Kimasabbey" as Ton-To would say to the "Lone Ranger!" 8) 8) and then he say: ""High! Ho! Silver! away!""  ;)



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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2009, 11:57:00 AM »
Whats the Mather with you? :o I was only Joking with yea! Iv said that Jokingly to several of your Tribe's Men an they nodded and laughed out "Loud" With me!! knowing that i was taking the piss out of American TV shows that were out at the time in the late 60te's!
 How i met them was because then I was working with the BBC! and they happend to be on a Show about the offspring of native Americans in Europe! from the time off "The Buffalo Bill Shows!"  Early in the Century they went on tour with the Wild West show all over England! and Some of them Stead in England! and had Children! After the Show we all trucked back to there Hotel and sat up all night telling stories! an not a frown among them! There was only Laughter and Singing an Drumming! at least they had a great sence of humor! Humor is one of the mainstays of this Forum imo! ::) So yea better get your laughing britches on while your on this Forum! imo That is! :P
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« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2009, 12:13:37 PM »
i love you guys :-) like tisho said, let's hug it out :-)

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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2009, 12:25:44 PM »
You peoples ...? do you not research all that you are demanded to believe/ The letter J is only 400+ years old! the roman insert was a G if my memory is on correct recall.. and then somewhere "J" was "lol invented"..  Back in biblical times few  peoples spoke 2 dialects...let alone few or several... and Israelites were NOT allowed to even think of  gentiles... let alone learn to speak with them ! Do you G-d needed the Romans' Greek to speak to Mary  A Hebrew ? via  The Arch Angel ?  How many of you have read the very first pages of your "bible" or as it was called in my day Catholic :Missle: " ?   Key words ...Translated from ...into... Greek !! and a lot of "books" were left out... and it was "simply demanded ...lol that the minister/priest/reverand... read to the congregation what was" Deemed " the "only necessary :Messages: informations..." ohh lol how sheeply you give over your soul because you "believe the feeding frenzy of G-ds' word can only be interperted by the "self saaigned"... I no longer "need" someone else reading to me on Priviledged assigned days... G-d IS and YHWH IS HIS Name !!  Fear of G-d does not mean that we are so beneath Him we cannot communicate for ourselves sheeples... read where it says that alll of mankind were set just a "little lower than HIS angels !!...  Fear NOT says the Lord Thy G-d , for I am with you ALWAYS! Now tell me is that a "specific Oneness of peoples" ?  Many peoplpes now believe "sins" cann be erradicated through prayers ? ...if so , and alll these many "religious years " have past ... and which sin ? can you tell me has been erradicated ? That "JOB" ..folks has already been assigned, elsewise ? why have Gods' SON return to cleanse The Entire Earth ?  If any one among you believes he/she Can forgive /remove/defeat even one sin stand right up and speak now.. lol because I have  a life of fire behind me likened to a tail of Hale Bop !!::)

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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2009, 01:25:46 PM »
AAAaa! yea know us "Irish" were fuckers for the "wind" up! hu -MAN! 8)



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« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2009, 11:28:20 PM »

Does this bogwalker still exist?

He is forgiven for his aroma. ;D

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« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2009, 08:39:40 AM »
Quote from: OV3RTone link=topic=3180.msg 32801#msg 32801 date=1254025700

Does this bog walker still exist?

He is forgiven for his aroma. ;D
I had an encounter of sorts with the Lady! but She split the seen quickly after that as you can see! I might be wrong but I got the impression She was in Prison! so maybe She cant get to the Net at the moment? :-\



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« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2009, 09:10:16 AM »
Quote from: OV3RTone link=topic=3180.msg 32801#msg 32801 date=1254025700

Does this bog walker still exist?

He is forgiven for his aroma. ;D
I had an encounter of sorts with the Lady! but She split the seen quickly after that as you can see! I might be wrong but I got the impression She was in Prison! so maybe She cant get to the Net at the moment? :-\

I think she was incarcerated. Then all of a sudden, all of her post's disappeared. So if our moderators didn't remove them, I'd say the authorities at whereever she was at did.


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« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2009, 09:33:34 AM »

Does this bogwalker still exist?

He is forgiven for his aroma. ;D

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« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2009, 09:36:47 AM »

Does this bogwalker still exist?

He is forgiven for his aroma. ;D

bogwalker has a canceled account
yea man! thats what were talking about! ::)



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« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2009, 11:51:13 AM »
if he truly existed? .... then why has no other historical person ever written about him?, there must have been many during his life time! :o

(I have heard of such writings, but all have been debunked, at least that is what has been presented!)

such a truly spiritual person, must have been known world wide, yet the only writings appear in the bible!



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