Chaldean Genesis (The secret legacy of the architect-priests)

[dcdaveclarke]

The Holy men & women were in Albyn long before the culdees showed up.

Senanus fled to the Isle of Scattery & resolved no woman would set foot on this desolate flat spot of dirt, County Clare.

He was a bit of a freak eh!

Who gives a Fuck? there's a lot of beautiful thinking Women there now!

[grandsecretary]

[OVERTone]

The Holy men & women were in Albyn long before the culdees showed up.

Senanus fled to the Isle of Scattery & resolved no woman would set foot on this desolate flat spot of dirt, County Clare.

He was a bit of a freak eh!

Who gives a Fuck? there's a lot of beautiful thinking Women there now!

I don't think anyone lives on Scattery anymore DC.

If you go back long enough, there was equality between men & women, respect for each other.

The Druids were no exception.

[grandsecretary]

See, your version of 'freedom', kind of misses the whole point of the word, don't you think?

No.  It defines freedom under the law.  Yours defines anarchy.

[dcdaveclarke]

The Holy men & women were in Albyn long before the culdees showed up.

Senanus fled to the Isle of Scattery & resolved no woman would set foot on this desolate flat spot of dirt, County Clare.

He was a bit of a freak eh!

Who gives a Fuck? there's a lot of beautiful thinking Women there now!

I don't think anyone lives on Scattery anymore DC.

If you go back long enough, there was equality between men & women, respect for each other.

The Druids were no exception.

I meant the entire county of Clare! not the Barron bits nobody in there right minds would live on the ""Burren"" its just flat rocks left over from the Ice Age!

The Burren

[grandsecretary]

The Holy men & women were in Albyn long before the culdees showed up.

Senanus fled to the Isle of Scattery & resolved no woman would set foot on this desolate flat spot of dirt, County Clare.

He was a bit of a freak eh!

Who gives a Fuck? there's a lot of beautiful thinking Women there now!

I don't think anyone lives on Scattery anymore DC.

If you go back long enough, there was equality between men & women, respect for each other.

The Druids were no exception.

You don't know what you are talking about.  We are not talking new age druidism here.  The Ancient Celtic Druids had ten levels of marriage depending on wealth and status, and also initiation ceremonies restricted to young boys and men.  

Celtic Druid women were the administrators whilst the men were the defenders and the workers.

Please don't distort the truth for your own ends.  The acceptance of the equal worth of the individual in nature, irrespective of marriage, wealth, status, initiation, and occupation is what mattered then, and what matters now.  The Celtic Druids paid homage to the sexual differences, but the equality that is brought about by a knowledge and a veneration of the sexual differences between the male and the female and what they both have to contribute equally to society as different sexes.

[OVERTone]

The Holy men & women were in Albyn long before the culdees showed up.

Senanus fled to the Isle of Scattery & resolved no woman would set foot on this desolate flat spot of dirt, County Clare.

He was a bit of a freak eh!

Who gives a Fuck? there's a lot of beautiful thinking Women there now!

I don't think anyone lives on Scattery anymore DC.

If you go back long enough, there was equality between men & women, respect for each other.

The Druids were no exception.

You don't know what you are talking about.  We are not talking new age druidism here.  The Ancient Celtic Druids had ten levels of marriage depending on wealth and status, and also initiation ceremonies restricted to young boys and men.  

Celtic Druid women were the administrators whilst the men were the defenders and the workers.

Please don't distort the truth for your own ends.

You say my freedom defines anarchy, you accuse me of distorting the truth, ha! The words 'a look mirror into', spring to mind!

Celtic Druid Women no doubt had initiation rites, ceremonies & knowledge restricted to girls and women.

Administrators!, now that hardly does a High Priestess of the Celtic Druids any justice.

Justice.
 

[OVERTone]

The Culdees came about in the more modern period, when Christianity was exerting it's influence.

Am I wrong?

[grandsecretary]

You say my freedom defines anarchy, you accuse me of distorting the truth, ha! The words 'a look mirror into', spring to mind!

Celtic Druid Women no doubt had initiation rites, ceremonies & knowledge restricted to girls and women.

Administrators!, now that hardly does a High Priestess of the Celtic Druids any justice.

Justice.
 

   Now, now, let's deal with the issues:

1)  I said that your definition of freedom is anarchy, and I believe that to be true.

2) Yes, they did, and they were exclusive of men.

3) Oh, yes it does, because we are not Druids.  The new age druids cater for women I believe.

[OVERTone]

3) Oh, yes it does, because we are not Druids.  The new age druids cater for women I believe.

1) Who are not Druids?
2) Women & men had their assigned roles, none exerting power over the other.

[grandsecretary]

[grandsecretary]

3) Oh, yes it does, because we are not Druids.  The new age druids cater for women I believe.

1) Who are not Druids?
2) Women & men had their assigned roles, none exerting power over the other.

1) We (Free Masons) are not Druids which is why we do not have initiated priestesses;

2) I agree and that is what we have in our Grand Lodge.  We do have wives.  They are our equals.  They do not attempt to exert power over the priesthood, and we do not exert power over their duties in the profane world.  Equals with assigned roles.

[OVERTone]

You say my freedom defines anarchy, you accuse me of distorting the truth, ha! The words 'a look mirror into', spring to mind!

Celtic Druid Women no doubt had initiation rites, ceremonies & knowledge restricted to girls and women.

Administrators!, now that hardly does a High Priestess of the Celtic Druids any justice.

Justice.
 

   Now, now, let's deal with the issues:

1)  I said that your definition of freedom is anarchy, and I believe that to be true.

2) Yes, they did, and they were exclusive of men.

3) Oh, yes it does, because we are not Druids.  The new age druids cater for women I believe.

1) You don't know my definition of freedom.

2) As it has been said, men had exclusive rites also.

3) I'm talking about a High Priestess of the ancient world, not a wife of a freemason.

[grandsecretary]

You say my freedom defines anarchy, you accuse me of distorting the truth, ha! The words 'a look mirror into', spring to mind!

Celtic Druid Women no doubt had initiation rites, ceremonies & knowledge restricted to girls and women.

Administrators!, now that hardly does a High Priestess of the Celtic Druids any justice.

Justice.
 

   Now, now, let's deal with the issues:

1)  I said that your definition of freedom is anarchy, and I believe that to be true.

2) Yes, they did, and they were exclusive of men.

3) Oh, yes it does, because we are not Druids.  The new age druids cater for women I believe.

1) You don't know my definition of freedom.

2) As it has been said, men had exclusive rites also.

3) I'm talking about a High Priestess of the ancient world, not a wife of a freemason.

I was responding to your definition of freedom on this very thread.

Exactly - different ones.  I accept that but we are not Druids.

Are you now.  I'm not.

[OVERTone]

As you seem to be so well acquainted with my definition of freedom (as yet unstated in this thread), would you care to enlighten us with some clarity on this matter?

[grandsecretary]

This seems to say, that women were there first, then the Culdees came along with their primitive minds, full of fear, then proceeded to exclude women from the monastries. Am I right?

See, your version of 'freedom', kind of misses the whole point of the word, don't you think?

Well this tell me a great deal about your ideas of what "freedom" means.

The Culdees were not Druids.  They converted Druids away from Goddess worship because they believed that it was wrong.  Now that is what is called freedom of religious thought, and it is IMHO an indissoluble freedom.

Freedom does not mean anything goes - no rules - anyone must be allowed to join everything come what may - that is anarchy.

[OVERTone]

This seems to say, that women were there first, then the Culdees came along with their primitive minds, full of fear, then proceeded to exclude women from the monastries. Am I right?

See, your version of 'freedom', kind of misses the whole point of the word, don't you think?

Well this tell me a great deal about your ideas of what "freedom" means.

The Culdees were not Druids.  They converted Druids away from Goddess worship because they believed that it was wrong.  Now that is what is called freedom of religious thought, and it is IMHO an indissoluble freedom.

Freedom does not mean anything goes - no rules - anyone must be allowed to join everything come what may - that is anarchy.

So you're into this bunch who fear women?

Funny little freedom you have.

[OVERTone]

The Culdees were not Druids.  They converted Druids away from Goddess worship because they believed that it was wrong.  Now that is what is called freedom of religious thought, and it is IMHO an indissoluble freedom.

So you advocate the suppression of the Divine Feminine & call it freedom of religious thought!

Very interesting. ^ ^

Did you know that God's name is Eris, and that He is a girl?

[grandsecretary]

This seems to say, that women were there first, then the Culdees came along with their primitive minds, full of fear, then proceeded to exclude women from the monastries. Am I right?

See, your version of 'freedom', kind of misses the whole point of the word, don't you think?

Well this tell me a great deal about your ideas of what "freedom" means.

The Culdees were not Druids.  They converted Druids away from Goddess worship because they believed that it was wrong.  Now that is what is called freedom of religious thought, and it is IMHO an indissoluble freedom.

Freedom does not mean anything goes - no rules - anyone must be allowed to join everything come what may - that is anarchy.

So you're into this bunch who fear women?

Funny little freedom you have.

into; bunch; fear.

Now where did I use any of these words?

I believe that I possess a reasonable facility for the Queen's English OV3RT, and so I really would appreciate it if you would not provide a running, unsolicited, interpretation.  If I want your assistance, then I assure you that I will ask you.

I cannot add anything to what I have already posted.

[grandsecretary]

The Culdees were not Druids.  They converted Druids away from Goddess worship because they believed that it was wrong.  Now that is what is called freedom of religious thought, and it is IMHO an indissoluble freedom.

So you advocate the suppression of the Divine Feminine & call it freedom of religious thought!

Very interesting. ^ ^

Did you know that God's name is Eris, and that He is a girl?

No.  There you go again.  Where have I ever said that I advocate the suppression of the Divine Feminine?

If you, or anybody else wishes to believe in, or worship "the Divine Feminine" then I would not dream of even commenting.  I would go further.  I would certainly not criticise your beliefs.  After all, that would be the height of impertinence - wouldn't it?

Why would God need sex organs, or indeed a name?  Tell you what, as of now why don't we call God, God.

[OVERTone]

God is called Eris, and He is the Goddess of Chaos.

You know what comes out of chaos of course.

[grandsecretary]

God is called Eris, and He is the Goddess of Chaos.

You know what comes out of chaos of course.

You tell me.

[OVERTone]

God is called Eris, and He is the Goddess of Chaos.

You know what comes out of chaos of course.

You tell me.

 

[grandsecretary]

This slogan is used by the Rosicrucian Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of freemasonry.  Why are you mentioning it on this thread?

[OVERTone]

I care not who uses it!

It still remains so.

Within this seeming Chaos, there is an implicate order. The Chaos is so vast,
we can only get a hint at the underlying order.

Out of interest, what slogan does your fraternity use?

[grandsecretary]

I care not who uses it!

It still remains so.

Within this seeming Chaos, there is an implicate order. The Chaos is so vast,
we can only get a hint at the underlying order.

Out of interest, what slogan does your fraternity use?

Holiness to the Lord.

[OVERTone]

That's like saying 'sand to the Arabs'!

Or is your Lord insecure?

[grandsecretary]

That's like saying 'sand to the Arabs'!

Or is your Lord insecure?

You asked and I answered.  That is like saying "pearls before swine". 

[OVERTone]

That's like saying 'sand to the Arabs'!

Or is your Lord insecure?

You asked and I answered.  That is like saying "pearls before swine". 

As for the 'pearls' of wisdom you have so far dished up, swine will suffice.

[grandsecretary]

That's like saying 'sand to the Arabs'!

Or is your Lord insecure?

You asked and I answered.  That is like saying "pearls before swine". 

As for the 'pearls' of wisdom you have so far dished up, swine will suffice.

Here is another platitude for you so that you at least, will understand:

"You can take a horse to water but you cannot make it drink."

[OVERTone]

This particular centaur is acquainted with divine nectar!

Hmm liquid love!

[grandsecretary]

Cheers!

[OVERTone]

Nastrovia!